ADD/ADHD and Indigo Children

topic posted Tue, June 26, 2007 - 12:29 PM by  Judia
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Do you believe in the existence of Indigo children?
They say that indigo children are often diagnosed with ADHD/ADD. I am wondering if you guys believe in this or not. If so, how do you tell them apart from real ADD/ADHD kids??
I've been called an 'Indigo Child' by a lot of people, but not clear on why.
I'm just wondering about your guy's stance on things...
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Judia
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  • Re: ADD/ADHD and Indigo Children

    Wed, July 18, 2007 - 11:36 PM
    Reading the descriptions of an Indigo Child I have a hard time understanding what an ADD and Indigo have in common.

    The only time I have heard the term Indigo Child was from this girl that worked at a yoga studio. I have never left a yoga studio feeling anything but good except this one time where this girl was dismissing my ADD for her own Indigo Child diagnoses and ranting about how I need to eat 100% vegan raw and watch "What the Bleep" at least 5 times and take notes while watching it.

    There was something about this girl that really, really rubbed me the wrong way and when I see her at the studio I get really out of wack and wished I did not go to yoga.

    Hey throw her in the CHADD meeting I went to tonite and let her talk about her indigo children.

    All those things I said about her don't seem bad but it was like her way was the only way. I love vegan food but you know what I am a carnivore. I don't like making things more complicated then they have to be. If I had to scour every label before I put something in my mouth or on my body I would go insane.

    Sorry this is a total random rant. Thanks for listening.
    • Re: ADD/ADHD and Indigo Children

      Thu, July 19, 2007 - 5:17 PM
      Not as random as it might seem to you.

      "... it was like her way was the only way." Unfortunately that is an all to common attitude. I'm running into it a lot here in the Capital Region of NY. I'm from the SF bay area and I'm looking to buy my first home. The real estate laws and practices in the two states are very different. I know the CA systems but am completely ignorant of the NY ones. I want to take the precission of CA contracts and apply it to the NY contracts/practices - that way I know exactly what I'll be getting and be protected from my own ignorance. So far no one will hear me out, instead I get told it must be "this way or no way."

      "...when I see her at the studio I get really out of wack and wished I did not go to yoga. " Learn to edit her out of your vision.
  • Re: ADD/ADHD and Indigo Children

    Sun, December 30, 2007 - 9:29 AM


    I read the book, THE CARE AND FEEDING OF INDIGO CHILDREN by
    Doreen Virtue, Ph.D.
    I took a look at it,and I found that I could strongly relate to this
    stuff. Therefore, I bought the book. The more I read it, the more I
    believed that Indigo Child seemed like a label for children with
    learning disabilities and AD/HD. I feel that New Agers created this
    label because of the skyrocketing increase of children with AD/HD. The
    problem is that the AD/HD condition is not just exclusive to children.
    There has been an increase of diagnosing AD/HD in adults. Some were
    diagnosed AD/HD at 60 yrs old. In 2005, I was diagnosed inattentive
    type ADHD at the age of 32, and my mother told me that she can relate
    to many of the symptoms AD/HD and Dyslexia. From what my mother told
    me,my father seemed to have Dyslexia and AD/HD. From what I have seen
    in my mother's side of the family, numerous relatives have these AD/HD
    traits. Everyone of my mother's 4 halfsiblings dropped out of high
    school,and my mother never even went to high school. They did find
    their niches,and they did well in their careers except for my uncle
    Dino has gone through many jobs but he has learned many skills. My
    Uncle Eddie who is now 45 year, was always hyperactive. He was in
    special ed with speech problems like me. My stepgrandmother refused to
    have him medicated because both her and my grandfather were
    hyperactive,and they weren't on medication. It seems that
    hyperactivity runs in the family. With knowing these things, I do not
    believe in Indigo generation nor the Indigo label itself. The label is
    not going to help a child with problems with learning to read and
    communicate as well as learn. Special education helped correct my
    Dyslexic,Dyspraxic problems,and so I am a compensated Dyslexic,Dyspraxic
    As for the AD/HD, I really don't think it's a problem. I honestly feel that it's an
    alternative learning style that doesn't fit well with mainstream classroom,and I
    feel the same about Dyslexia. I also feel that because of their sensitivity, the
    wrong foods can affect them in adverse ways. I also feel that the
    fluorescent lights in the classrooms can make them feel uncomfortable
    and can exacerbate both AD/HD and Dyslexic symptoms. Fluorescent
    lights can make Scotopic Sensitivity worse. The fluorescent lights can
    make people with Scotopic Sensitivity have problems seeing black print
    on white paper due to reflection of the light on the paper.

    I really do believe that anybody with strong Neptune and or/Uranus
    influence can identify with the Indigo. After all, it is said that
    Indigos are psychically sensitive,highly imaginative,think in
    pictures,innovative,independent,can be
    rebellious,compassionate,empathic,intuitive,bright,strongwilled,and
    sometimes self destructive individuals. Most of all, they don't fit in
    the mainstream including especially traditional school environments.
    That stuff is me, my mother,and my father. I have Moon in Pisces in
    6th square Neptune in 3rd along with unaspected(ptolemaic,8th
    harmonic,nor decliantions) Uranus which is also my oriental planet and
    trine my Midheaven. I have Uranus conj Mercury/Ascendant midpoint,Sun
    semisquare Mars/Uranus midpoint,and Mars in Aquarius. I have a 11th
    harmonic pattern of Ascendant,Mercury,Mars,Saturn,and Uranus. My
    mother has Sun in 12th trine Neptune along with Moon in Scorpio trine
    Venus-Uranus conjunction. My father had Moon in Pisces with stationary
    retrograde Neptune. My hyperactive entrepreneur uncle Eddie has Moon
    in Aquarius in 6th house oppose Uranus which is rising along with Moon
    square Neptune in 3rd. My maternal grandfather had Moon in Pisces and
    Uranus oppose Ascendant. My maternal aunt Dominga has Uranus square
    Ascendant along with Sun conj Neptune in 12th. My maternal Uncle Dino has Sun
    conj Neptune which is square his Moon in the last degree of Cancer. He
    has Mercury square Uranus. My maternal aunt Isabel has Moon trine Neptune and
    Uranus trine Mercury-Ascendant conjunction.


    Here are things in the book that I read that pertains to me and other
    Dyslexics as well as others with learning differences including
    Dyspraxia,Sensory Integration Disorder,and AD/HD as well as visual
    spatial learners

    page 100, Indigos may seem awkward or clumsy and may be labeled a
    having delayed motor skill functioning (those are symptoms of Dyspraxia)

    page 101, Talking and reading may also seem unnatural to Indigo
    Children, who intuitively know that more accurate and honest
    conversation is available through telepathy (speech delays/problems are early
    warning signs of Dyslexia,Dyspraxia)

    page 11, Indigo Children are exquisitely sensitive in many ways. They
    may have been subject to taunts such as "You're too sensitive," yet
    their sensitivity is a spiritual gift equivalent to a detecting
    instrument. (that can be sensory integration disorder, sensory integration issues which are common in Dyslexics,Dyspraxics,and ADHDers but highest in the autistic spectrum disorders)

    page 172, Because right-brained people have such acute senses, they're
    easily distracted. They can hear every little click of the school
    clock's hand, and the high pitch of the fluorescent lighting.
    (that can be Dyslexics,ADHDers,and people with autistic spectrum disorders)

    page 97, one of the reasons why Indigo Children are so good at
    manifesting is because they processing information primarily through
    mental pictures. They are skilled visualizers and can easily develop a
    photographic memory. They think and learn mainly in pictures
    (Dyslexics,Autistics,and a lot of ADHDers think mainly in pictures instead of words)

    page 113, Sensitive Indigo Children aren't just affected by the
    physical properties of their bedrooms; they;re also influenced by the
    invisible nontangibles in their rooms. Music, lighting,and scent and
    can make a big difference in your children's sleeping patterns,
    moods,and energy levels.
    (again....this can be sensory integration disorder,sensory integration issues
    that are common in Dyslexia,Dyspraxia,ADHD, but highest in the autistic spectrum
    disorders)

    page 6, Indigos are highly creative children,and think outside the box.
    This thinking style has created many of the world's breakthrough
    inventions
    (this type of thinking is in Dyslexics,Dyspraxics,ADHDers,and autistic spectrum disorders)

    page171, Indigo Children, gifted children, who are labeled ADD or ADHD
    and adult lightworkers are almost always rightbrain dominant. This
    means that they interact with the world primarily with the right
    hemisphere of their brain, which focuses upon visions and feeling and
    relates to nonverbal studies such as art, music, math, philosophy,
    psychology,and psychic arts. Right brain - dominant people can make
    excellent writers and speakers, provided they learn how to translate
    their mental pictures and strong internal feelings into the world.
    (this can apply to Dyslexics,Dypraxics,ADHDers,and people with autistic spectrum disorders)

    there was talk about psychic abilities and visions. I didn't get
    into that stuff. Those aren't symptoms of learning disabilities. Many
    learning differenced people have the common sense to keep those things
    secret from people that they know that can't trust with those things
    including especially psychiatrists. However; in the book,the BIPOLAR
    CHILD, learning disabilities was listed as one of the common symptoms
    and traits in bipolar children. Oversensitivity to environmental
    influences was listed as one of the very common symptoms and traits in
    bipolar children. Many children that were diagnosed as AD/HD are now
    believed to have been actually Bipolar,and so its that many children
    have bipolar. That's the same with adults now believed to have
    AD/HD,and many AD/HD adults have talked about how their AD/HD was
    misdiagnosed as bipolar. Many children are being on antipsychotic
    drug, Risperdal for Bipolar. It's even used for autism.

    I was a special ed student for 3 yrs in elementary school. If it wasn't for special education(motor skills therapy,auditory therapy,speech therapy,phonics training, I would always had severe problems with language processing and very poor motor skills because of my Dyslexia and Dyspraxia. I have had psychiatric misdiagnoses of psychotic,bipolar crap by psychiatrists in adulthood because they were ignorant of my Dyslexic,Dyspraxic nature. I have history of anxiety and depression. I have always have been extremely sensitive on every level too. I was referred to as being "special" by my mother and stepfather. After all, I had special needs. I was in special education. A lot of people had no idea how much I hated that word. You know how some people say "Oh..You think that you are so special!" to cut you down. They didn't know they were talking to somebody that had special needs and was a special ed student. I definitely believe that Indigo Child is just a New Age copout label for people like myself. I don't believe in the Indigo Child propaganda.
    I believe that Indigo Child is an umbrella term for people with atypical neurological systems(AD/HDers,Dyslexics,Dyspraxics,other Learning Disabled,Aspergers,Autistics) like myself. They have always existed.
    There is nothing new about people like us. We're the types that have been in self contained special education classes,special schools,group homes,doped up on heavy antipsychotics,gave us lobotomies,or locked us up in asylums. Our types were probably burnt at the stake in other time periods. In modern times, we just have more awareness of the diversity of neurological make-ups in people. We have a very long way to go for society to tolerate and accept neurodiversity which is shown by the skyrocketing increase of neurodivergent people on psychiatric
    medications.





    I have a list of books that I own and/or read about learning
    differences and special sensitivities

    PARENT'S GUIDE TO CHILDREN WITH DYSLEXIA by Abigail Marshall
    THE GIFT OF DYSLEXIA by Ronald D Davis
    THE GIFT OF LEARNING by Ronald D Davis
    THE EVERYTHING PARENT'S GUIDE TO CHILDREN WITH DYSLEXIA by Abigail
    Marshall
    SMART BUT FEELING DUMB by Harold D Levinson, MD
    A SOLUTION TO THE RIDDLE DYSLEXIA by Harold N Levinson
    SMART BUT STUCK by Myrna Orensttein,PhD
    THOM HARTMANN'S COMPLETE GUIDE TO ADHD
    RIGHTBRAINED CHILDREN IN A LEFTBRAINED WORLD by Jeffrey Freed and Laura
    Parsons
    THE EDISON GENE by Thom Hartmann
    DYSPRAXIA by Amanda Kirby
    UPSIDE DOWN BRILLIANCE The Visual Spatial Learner by Linda Kreger
    Silverman,PhD
    IN THE MIND'S EYE by Thomas G West
    UNDERSTANDING DEVELOPMENTAL DYSPRAXIA by Madeleine Portwood
    ADD and ADHD Complementary Medicine Solutions by Charles Gant MD,PhD
    THE CARE AND FEEDING OF INDIGO CHILDREN by Doreen Virtue, PhD
    THE HIGHLY SENSITIVE CHILD by Elaine N. Aron, PhD
    THE HIGHLY SENSITIVE PERSON by Elaine N. Aron, PhD
    THE HIGHLY SENSITIVE PERSON IN LOVE by Elaine N. Aron, PhD

    sites on Dyslexia and other learning differences

    www.dyslexia.com/

    www.dys-add.com/

    www.levinsonmedical.com/home.html

    www.dyslexiamylife.org/dyslexia.html

    www.dyslexia.tv/

    www.macalester.edu/~psych/w...ndex.html

    www.dys-add.com/#video (free online Dyslexia video to
    watch...Susan Barton herself speaking)

    www.tomatis.com/English/Ar...yslexia.htm

    Raymond Andrews
    • Re: ADD/ADHD and Indigo Children

      Sun, December 30, 2007 - 9:54 AM
      Hi Raymond,

      If your point is that these traits are not newly appearing - relating to the claim that the label of "Indigo" should only apply to those born since perhaps the 80's, you might be interested to know that many people believe that Indigos have been around for awhile, more like the last 100 years (and even throughout history). Its just that their numbers are increasing, becoming manifold at this point in time.

      I don't wish to *defend* that point of view necessarily, ... just saying that many people believe that the genotype of Indigo can absolutely apply to adults. Maybe you are one :-)

      Namaste'
      Az
      • Re: ADD/ADHD and Indigo Children

        Sun, December 30, 2007 - 10:11 AM
        Yes...my point is that the traits have been there for a long time and they are run in familes.

        Neurodivergents have their strengths, and so I feel that the Indigo is an unnecessary label. To me it, seems that New Agers are trying to distinguished highly intelligent people from people with neurodivergent conditions. But neurodivergent people can be highly intelligent too. Many of them have above average intelligence,and I am one of them.

        I see myself as Dyslexic,Dyspraxic,ADHD and I don't mind being referred to as that.....it's better than being referred to as "retard","stupid" which I have been called numerous times in the past as well as my misdiagnosis of schizoaffective bipolar disorder. Therefore, I don't need to consider myself an Indigo. If other neurodivergents want to refer to themselves as Indigos,that's fine with me. To each,his/her own, that's what I believe. I embrace my neurodiversity and acknowledge the weaknesses and the strengths.


        DRD4 has been associated with ADHD in various studies. A variation of
        it,DRD4 7R is found to be closely linked to ADHD and a behavior called
        novelty seeking. The human gene study suggests that behavior now
        considered inappropriate in a classroom may be related to behavior
        that once helped humans overcome their environment. Approximately half
        of children with ADHD have the 7R allele. It's suggested to occur
        spontaneously from 10,000 to 40,000 years ago. The discovery
        confirmed Thom Hartmann's theory of ADHD as being a hunter trait. He
        wrote about in his book,THE EDISON GENE. It was his books that got me
        to believe that ADHD is not a disorder that needs medication,but an
        alternative way of being,thinking and learning.

        www.sciencedaily.com/release...4512.htm
        www.drugawareness.org/Archive...008.html
        www.popsci.com/popsci/med...cdrcrd.html
        www.ucihealth.com/News/Rele...usGene.htm
        • Re: ADD/ADHD and Indigo Children

          Sun, December 30, 2007 - 10:25 AM
          Well, you're obviously not a retard or stupid Raymond! Yes, Indigo is in a sense just a label like any other -- what does it matter really what we decide to call ourselves? I think if it amuses us for a time, then that's a good reason to use a label (my favorite harpist, Kim Robertson, once said that the secret of life is to keep one's self amused :-). But there are many other implications of "Indigo" besides just these neurological traits that don't conform to the old social order. But that is a subject for a different tribe I would say (there is an Indigo Children tribe BTW - with many members who go by the label "adult Indigo").
          • Re: ADD/ADHD and Indigo Children

            Sun, December 30, 2007 - 11:11 AM
            i don't want to edit your content here, AzurA, but could you try to be a little more sensitive in your use of "retard" for those of us who have either been placed in special education or have loved ones who are mentally disabled? please take note that it's offensive. and i'm not being mr. pc ultra-sensitive. it just is. it's the same as any derogatory ethnic or sexual slur that you probably wouldn't call a minority or gay person because they can defend themselves. i'm the little brother of a wonderful sister with downs and i'm the one who usually ends up doing the defending because it hurts those of us who understand its meaning. just an fyi.
            • Re: ADD/ADHD and Indigo Children

              Sun, December 30, 2007 - 11:24 AM
              as for "indigo" i invest about as much in that term as i did in the "DiVinci Code"

              nada.

              new-age pseudo-science with a twist of desperation in the shadow of conventional wisdom. perhaps it'll change over time, but i see it as a veiled attempt of overly-educated spiritualist parents to claim what parents have done for years: my baby is special.

              kids are great. how and what they learn is awe-inspiring when you think of them only a few years earlier ga-ga-gooing. but we all were that baby. and no, most of us aren't einstein or some crazy x-file hybrid thanks to early-childhood education, so your kids probably aren't either. in my opinion it's just a term for socially mal-adjusted ultra-sensitive and coddled kids. just like the dog whisperer says: it's not the dog, it's the owner. when you have loopy parents, odds are, you're gonna have ether-based logic and constructs too. not saying that's wrong. evolution will hopefully knock them out of the gene pool.
            • Re: ADD/ADHD and Indigo Children

              Sun, December 30, 2007 - 11:26 AM
              HI matty-m@, I think you might have misunderstood my post. I was referencing and responding to Raymond's prior post. He stated that being labeled ADHD (etc.) was better than being labeled "stupid or a retard" >> his words. My response was offered as a *loving* affirmation that he obviously is *not* stupid or a retard. I was not calling anyone stupid or a retard, rather I was defending the opposite.

              Namaste'
              AzurA
              • Re: ADD/ADHD and Indigo Children

                Sun, December 30, 2007 - 11:41 AM
                my bad. and no offense to raymond, but i didn't even read his post. i just saw a blur and scrolled. that's when "retard" stuck out in your response and blam! my defensive instincts kicked in.
                • Re: ADD/ADHD and Indigo Children

                  Sun, December 30, 2007 - 11:45 AM
                  No problem -
                  Indeed, I could have considered that -- it was a long post, and I'm sure not everyone will read the whole thing. I will be more clear next time when I am making a specific reference. :-) So thanks for making that point!
              • Re: ADD/ADHD and Indigo Children

                Sun, December 30, 2007 - 11:53 AM

                I also wanted to point out that was a previous essay post that I wrote in an astrology group. There are astrologers who believe in Indigo stuff. Very few astrologers understand neurodivergents. That's why it had some astrology stuff which I should have taken that out.

                I had even gave a review to the book, The Care of The Feeding Of Indigo Children with part of that essay at amazon.com. I know that a lot of neurodivergents that into metaphysical interests. I know an Aspergers guy who is heavily into metaphysics,occult,and magick. I knew a Dyslexic,ADHD who was into magick,tarot,and interested in Astrology. I know some Dyslexic astrologers. I know some ADHD astrologers too.
                There could be a lot of astrologers and others into metaphysical that have ADHD but don't see themselves that way. So many misconceptions about ADHD like not being able to pay attention when we can actually hyperfocus on things that we are interested in which can result in being very good at it.

                My Dyslexic,ADHD relatives believe in metaphysical stuff too....both my parents definitely did......my father was highly superstitious and believed that Hoodoo was no joke, and his grandmother was a Hoodoo practitioner.......My father was black creole man born in New Orleans Louisiana.
                • Re: ADD/ADHD and Indigo Children

                  Sun, December 30, 2007 - 12:15 PM
                  "So many misconceptions about ADHD like not being able to pay attention when we can actually hyperfocus on things that we are interested in which can result in being very good at it."

                  ADD is a misnomer; ADD is not problem of attention deficit but a problem of an inappropriate amount ofattention, at an inappropriate time to an inappropriate thing. Which means one could be paying to much or to little attention. Of course, what makes it inappropriate is what someone else says, not our choice.
        • Re: ADD/ADHD and Indigo Children

          Sun, December 30, 2007 - 12:09 PM
          One of the other traits the makes ADD a survival trait is that those with a ADD tend to preform better in crisis then the rest of the population... adrenaline calms us down/focuses us (to a point).

          Another trait that is helpful, is that we tend to look at problems from many angles at once, which allows one to find optimum solutions quickly and without falling into logical traps.

          ADD is really a disability of circumstance... insist that we work on routine/repetitive tasks while doing so in a highly linear fashion and we will have trouble. The flip side to this, is that if we insisted the the rest of humanity did things our way, then they would be disabled.
    • Re: ADD/ADHD and Indigo Children

      Mon, April 21, 2008 - 8:53 PM
      thanks for all the sites....
      I havent been diagnose( Im 36) but I have various symptoms of add ( not adhad)and dyslexia for quite a long time now and it is possible that my daughter is too( shes 7)..

      jess
      • Re: ADD/ADHD and Indigo Children

        Mon, April 21, 2008 - 9:06 PM
        >>>>>>>>>I havent been diagnose( Im 36) but I have various symptoms of add ( not adhad)

        People with ADD will have some hyperactivity attributes, hence ADD is an outdated term. But many people will be more attention deficit with few complications of hyperactivity, and visa versa. ADD nowadays is just a shorthanded term.
        • Re: ADD/ADHD and Indigo Children

          Mon, April 21, 2008 - 9:17 PM
          I cant even spell that right ..oopsy AdHd for that other part...
          well it makes no difference what its called but I have many of those " attributes' ( add)
          Im not usually hyper ..I get sudden burst now and then but I certainly cant focus too long unless I really like something and even then its difficult and my dyslexia is a pain with anything in sequence or steps...
          thanks for the info....
          jess
        • Re: ADD/ADHD and Indigo Children

          Wed, April 23, 2008 - 9:38 AM
          The name changes very few years... not everyone with ADD has hyperactivity (some like myself, have none) so ADD works better than ADHD for them. THe name doesn't really matter, we're all talking about the same spectrum of issues.
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            Re: ADD/ADHD and Indigo Children

            Wed, April 23, 2008 - 11:43 AM
            yea I agree but I think you also have to look at what you do during the day.. when the doc told me I had adhd I was like but Im not hyper.. Im too calm to be "hyper" but then I thought about it and realized when Im at work and really trying to get things done Im tapping my foot the whole time. Or if Im just using one hand to use the mouse my other hand is spinning a pen
            • Re: ADD/ADHD and Indigo Children

              Wed, April 23, 2008 - 12:31 PM
              names do change ...
              I dont think I would have liked the mild brain disfunction label...
              it was something like that back then.. dont know...

              but I see the hyper point..
              at work I run around like a mad dog til I tire myself out....
              and I cant sit still ...
              my co workers say Im always wandering and looking for things to do...
              and Im very organized there..
              at home I jump from reading, to online posting, to Tv to school work, my daguher..
              and Im still bored but tires at the same time and have trouble sleeping all the time because I have trouble turning off my brian which is why Ive statred meditating.
              even my writting is run on at times....
              my sister said to me once " wow that was a mouth full"
              I said imagine how my inner thoughts are..... worse!
              the other thing that bothers me is that I switch letters and numbers around often and I am a horrible speller and it takes me a long time to write becasue I have to correct things and my thoughts on paper( written) do not come out in sequence....
              gosh... thinking about it Im having a heart attack....
              .. hope that made sense... ( this is something I now say all the time ..just in case)

              thanks everyone.

              jess

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