http://add-and-adhd.tribe.net/thread/20683279-dfd2-4466-adf2-d8f2129f57cb?format=rss Tribe.net. Local Connections http://add-and-adhd.tribe.net/thread/20683279-dfd2-4466-adf2-d8f2129f57cb#368090de-87f7-4ff2-af5d-498ab3f8c244 i've sipped some red wine at the end of the day since I started on Adderall and I find that I need less wine to feel "chilled out" and so on ... Mon, 24 Dec 2007 17:18:03 GMT http://add-and-adhd.tribe.net/thread/20683279-dfd2-4466-adf2-d8f2129f57cb#368090de-87f7-4ff2-af5d-498ab3f8c244 SynerGy 2007-12-24T17:18:03Z http://add-and-adhd.tribe.net/thread/20683279-dfd2-4466-adf2-d8f2129f57cb#8cab2d0d-003e-4638-9026-ca511ec6ee20 Well I was a tweaker in the 80s, after my pharmaceutical connection OD'd on his own qualuudes and before I figured out I'd been self-medicating for ADD, but I was sober for 5 years, then 'normal' for another five before finally finding out about the ADD and being introduced to the concept of a 'therapeutic dose'. But I never really did drink alcoholically, though I often drank a lot throughout the day. What I mean is, I never got in any trouble from alcohol, no DUIs, no arrests, etc. It was strictly street drugs that brought me into AA for those 5 years. Mon, 30 Apr 2007 15:17:18 GMT http://add-and-adhd.tribe.net/thread/20683279-dfd2-4466-adf2-d8f2129f57cb#8cab2d0d-003e-4638-9026-ca511ec6ee20 John 2007-04-30T15:17:18Z http://add-and-adhd.tribe.net/thread/20683279-dfd2-4466-adf2-d8f2129f57cb#6f7c04ea-0893-434d-b5b7-6596d767fa2f In the very fine print Eli Lily reveals that Strattera is an SSNRI (often just written as SNRI to make things confusing). SSNRI = Select seritonin norepiniphrine re-uptake inhibitor. To be, fair Strattera is much more effective at regulating norepiniphrine than seritonin but if does effect both. Strattera is very closely related to Prozac, see the following links for the structures of both: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prozac http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strattera I'm not saying you'll have a problem with Strattera, just that you should be aware of the possibility of them. Fri, 27 Apr 2007 06:36:05 GMT http://add-and-adhd.tribe.net/thread/20683279-dfd2-4466-adf2-d8f2129f57cb#6f7c04ea-0893-434d-b5b7-6596d767fa2f Troy 2007-04-27T06:36:05Z http://add-and-adhd.tribe.net/thread/20683279-dfd2-4466-adf2-d8f2129f57cb#6c163403-2190-416e-87fa-1ec43920998b Yes, I've taken many a SSRI, but from what I have read, Strattera does not produce the particular side effects that made me stop taking SSRI's. I know it has some of its own, but I'll give it a try. Fri, 27 Apr 2007 03:45:03 GMT http://add-and-adhd.tribe.net/thread/20683279-dfd2-4466-adf2-d8f2129f57cb#6c163403-2190-416e-87fa-1ec43920998b Samantha 2007-04-27T03:45:03Z http://add-and-adhd.tribe.net/thread/20683279-dfd2-4466-adf2-d8f2129f57cb#46c0e962-5b74-4e25-99db-eadbb4776cc4 Have you ever tried anti-depressents? I'm not suggesting that you try them, just wondering because strattera effects both seritonin and norepinephrine. If you have problems with anti-depreesents you need to be alert to possible problems with strattera. Outside that issue and its more common problems, strattera probably is a better choice for you than adderall (based on what you have said). Thu, 26 Apr 2007 23:45:04 GMT http://add-and-adhd.tribe.net/thread/20683279-dfd2-4466-adf2-d8f2129f57cb#46c0e962-5b74-4e25-99db-eadbb4776cc4 Troy 2007-04-26T23:45:04Z http://add-and-adhd.tribe.net/thread/20683279-dfd2-4466-adf2-d8f2129f57cb#34ef6872-d031-4c69-96b1-d453c2ede8d2 I'd like to try Strattera. As soon as I get my new insurance that's the plan. My doc said it's really expensive, so we tried Adderall first. Thu, 26 Apr 2007 17:14:16 GMT http://add-and-adhd.tribe.net/thread/20683279-dfd2-4466-adf2-d8f2129f57cb#34ef6872-d031-4c69-96b1-d453c2ede8d2 Samantha 2007-04-26T17:14:16Z http://add-and-adhd.tribe.net/thread/20683279-dfd2-4466-adf2-d8f2129f57cb#514492db-54e0-4c72-b553-b6477f25145f John, I've heard of a few others that react like you do (most of those being alcoholic tweakers). Most stories I've heard are of people who react like Samantha and I. Thu, 26 Apr 2007 14:29:05 GMT http://add-and-adhd.tribe.net/thread/20683279-dfd2-4466-adf2-d8f2129f57cb#514492db-54e0-4c72-b553-b6477f25145f Troy 2007-04-26T14:29:05Z http://add-and-adhd.tribe.net/thread/20683279-dfd2-4466-adf2-d8f2129f57cb#eb7bf9bb-1394-4b35-b9e7-ba1d29f7ae95 If you are having an unpleasant time with the adderall anyway, talk to your doctor about trying something else. Ritalin is another amphetamine based drug so one can have the same problems. But it is a different drug, so the interactions can be different. "Are you not supposed to drink with Ritalin?" Truthfully, you are not supposed to drink with any of them. However if one is careful and limits the amount one drinks on can get away it occassionally. My problem with drinking while taking dexedrine (similar to adderall) was that 1 drink was like 5 or 6 drinks when I wasn't taking the medication, and that I would become severely depressed. Also, I would have these problems with drinking for up to 3-4 days after I stopped taking the medication. BTW: Both ritalin and adderall effect, to different extents, norepinephrine and dopamine levels in the brain. Some people respond well to only ritalin, others only to adderall and some people can use both. To complicate matters, when one becomes tolerant to one, there is a good chance of one becoming tolerant to both - because they work in a similar manner. Unfortunately, the only way to know is to try them. Thu, 26 Apr 2007 14:25:49 GMT http://add-and-adhd.tribe.net/thread/20683279-dfd2-4466-adf2-d8f2129f57cb#eb7bf9bb-1394-4b35-b9e7-ba1d29f7ae95 Troy 2007-04-26T14:25:49Z http://add-and-adhd.tribe.net/thread/20683279-dfd2-4466-adf2-d8f2129f57cb#259d9690-1765-4d5c-8d44-464da07b0c47 Haha... I'm really not much of a drinker at all, but I do like to have a glass of wine occasionally. Thu, 26 Apr 2007 13:56:09 GMT http://add-and-adhd.tribe.net/thread/20683279-dfd2-4466-adf2-d8f2129f57cb#259d9690-1765-4d5c-8d44-464da07b0c47 Samantha 2007-04-26T13:56:09Z http://add-and-adhd.tribe.net/thread/20683279-dfd2-4466-adf2-d8f2129f57cb#91d4bcf9-12e8-4fb9-b442-0e526f25c104 Worst of all is if it DOES lessen the effects of the alcohol (does for me); that usually leads to drinking MORE alcohol, as it will do with almost any amphetamine, which often leads to taking more (exceeding standard dose) of the stimulant, which leads to more drinking, can you see where this is going? It ends with your hands covered with ink in a booking room, and that's one of the less onerous outcomes. Thu, 26 Apr 2007 08:32:36 GMT http://add-and-adhd.tribe.net/thread/20683279-dfd2-4466-adf2-d8f2129f57cb#91d4bcf9-12e8-4fb9-b442-0e526f25c104 John 2007-04-26T08:32:36Z http://add-and-adhd.tribe.net/thread/20683279-dfd2-4466-adf2-d8f2129f57cb#e416d7ca-860e-4028-99dc-cc22648de003 So then what about Ritalin? Are you not supposed to drink with Ritalin? I don't think I was ever told that & I never noticed any weird effect. Thu, 26 Apr 2007 03:18:17 GMT http://add-and-adhd.tribe.net/thread/20683279-dfd2-4466-adf2-d8f2129f57cb#e416d7ca-860e-4028-99dc-cc22648de003 Samantha 2007-04-26T03:18:17Z http://add-and-adhd.tribe.net/thread/20683279-dfd2-4466-adf2-d8f2129f57cb#d57168ed-db7d-4f93-b1c0-49ddb1b3d940 Well I'm in the wine biz, so I will definitely be drinking wine. I don't think I like this Adderall, though. It makes me feel kind of spacy all the time. Ritalin lost its effectiveness, so my doc gave this a try. Thu, 26 Apr 2007 03:06:59 GMT http://add-and-adhd.tribe.net/thread/20683279-dfd2-4466-adf2-d8f2129f57cb#d57168ed-db7d-4f93-b1c0-49ddb1b3d940 Samantha 2007-04-26T03:06:59Z http://add-and-adhd.tribe.net/thread/20683279-dfd2-4466-adf2-d8f2129f57cb#670d86f3-fff6-4ba6-a5d8-b0d8d56886eb bad, mkay. even if it won't kill you, it's just not a good idea to mix drugs. if you take your adderall for a good reason, what purpose does drinking alcohol, regardless of amount (since it is a drug) serve in your treatment of ADD? even a glass of wine or a beer, etc. it's just smarter to avoid the combo, and not view it as getting twice the bang. Wed, 25 Apr 2007 21:30:15 GMT http://add-and-adhd.tribe.net/thread/20683279-dfd2-4466-adf2-d8f2129f57cb#670d86f3-fff6-4ba6-a5d8-b0d8d56886eb matty-m@ 2007-04-25T21:30:15Z http://add-and-adhd.tribe.net/thread/20683279-dfd2-4466-adf2-d8f2129f57cb#24cb2d54-e0b5-4fd5-90b7-baad01a4cea4 Yes. "Most things I've read about Adderall say the effects of alcohol seem LESSENED while taking it." I would say you are reading the wrong things. Adderall is an amphetamine, like speed, street wisdom tells one not to mix the two. Something I learned the hard way. Careful reading of the product insert (from the manufacturer, not the pharmacy where you got the medication) will reveal that alcohol effects how the body deals with the medication - basically it prevents absorption, and flushes it out of your body leading to instant withdraw plus all the normal effects of alcohol. Oh yes, one other thing amphetamines increases one's sensitive to stimulation - alcohol is a downer, amphetamines make one more sensitive to the downing effects of the alcohol - thus the street wisdom that one doesn't mix the two. Wed, 25 Apr 2007 17:54:46 GMT http://add-and-adhd.tribe.net/thread/20683279-dfd2-4466-adf2-d8f2129f57cb#24cb2d54-e0b5-4fd5-90b7-baad01a4cea4 Troy 2007-04-25T17:54:46Z http://add-and-adhd.tribe.net/thread/20683279-dfd2-4466-adf2-d8f2129f57cb#dd58b428-195a-4ae6-b1a7-87ec9572fe63 I just started taking Adderall last week. A couple of nights I've had a drink or two, nothing too crazy, and I feel drunk after just a little alcohol! Most things I've read about Adderall say the effects of alcohol seem LESSENED while taking it. Anyone else feel it backwards like I do? Wed, 25 Apr 2007 17:25:27 GMT http://add-and-adhd.tribe.net/thread/20683279-dfd2-4466-adf2-d8f2129f57cb#dd58b428-195a-4ae6-b1a7-87ec9572fe63 Samantha 2007-04-25T17:25:27Z